jxzhope

2147# gafpeyes

为塔利班提供便利的人

可参照：http://blog.cersp.com/30850/120969.aspx

ktdid

2147# gafpeyes

为塔利班提供便利的人

可参照：http://blog.cersp.com/30850/120969.aspx
jxzhope 发表于 2010-5-2 20:20

我一开始也以为是类似collaborator的意思，不过搜索了一下这个词出现的场合，似乎这个facilitator应当是塔利班组织的一员，主要负责诸如爆炸器材的购买、分发等工作，也就是为恐怖袭击提供资金和后勤支持。

gafpeyes版主的问题应当是出自4月30日的NPR吧，整理稿的断句有些问题
NATO is saying little about the incident other than that\ a joint NATO-Afghan operation against a Taliban facilitator led to one armed person being killed.
除了“一次针对一名塔利班facilitator的联合行动导致一名武装人员被杀”之外，NATO对此事件没有更多说明。

latonars

gafpeyes版主的问题应当是出自4月30日的NPR吧，整理稿的断句有些问题
NATO is saying little about the incident other than that\ a joint NATO-Afghan operation against a Taliban facilitator led to one armed person being killed.
除了“一次针对一名塔利班facilitator的联合行动导致一名武装人员被杀”之外，NATO对此事件没有更多说明。

ktdid 发表于 2010-5-3 01:59 AM

我觉得断句没问题
other than that类似besides
Nato没对事件表态。除此(that指杀害阿富汗姐夫事件)以外, 一次...行动致使一人被杀
e.g.

gafpeyes

other that than是状语,作副词用,不是介词.

ktdid

我觉得断句没问题
other than that类似besides
Nato没对事件表态。除此(that指杀害阿富汗姐夫事件)以外, 一次...行动致使一人被杀
e.g.
http://home.putclub.com/attachment/201005/2/564968_12728264141A96 ...
latonars 发表于 2010-5-3 02:55

原来是你断的句啊。。你的耳朵也许比我好使，不过断句你还是听我的吧，昨天的NPR你又断错一句，Napolitano那段
other than = except, that是引导后面整个名词性从句的
如果that有实义的话，that应当有明显的上升和停顿，你自己念一下试试
此外，如果that如你所说指姐夫事件的话，后面这一句与整段新闻又有什么关系呢，到底有几次联合行动？
再其次，other than that如果是你认为的那种用法，that也只能是紧接着前一句的内容，比如你的例句里CBS finds 1 2 3。而此处的前一句是什么？that从逻辑上讲应当指“NATO没有对该事件表态”这一事实。

gafpeyes

原来是你断的句啊。。你的耳朵也许比我好使，不过断句你还是听我的吧，昨天的NPR你又断错一句，Napolitano那段
other than = except, that是引导后面整个名词性从句的
如果that有实义的话，that应当有明显的上升 ...
ktdid 发表于 2010-5-3 03:21

按你这样说的话,other than sth才对,那that在这又怎么解释呢,如果想表达other than sth的话又何必用that呢,other than that a joint NATO....这样理解的话that在这是多余的,根本没必要用that,直接other than a joint NATO...就可以啦.但是这样又有另外一个问题,因为other than sth的sth是个名词,那后面出现led.那过分在名词后面是作后置定语,但led在这不可能是被动,完成的性质...

ktdid

按你这样说的话,other than sth才对,那that在这又怎么解释呢,如果想表达other than sth的话又何必用that呢,other than that a joint NATO....这样理解的话that在这是多余的,根本没必要用that,直接other than a j ...
gafpeyes 发表于 2010-5-3 03:39

。。。把它理解成except that很困难么？
"an operation led to a death"这个就是sth，它要作other than的宾语，所以变成that引导的宾语从句。宾语从句是名词性从句，所有名词性从句的引导词that都是虚词，把that去掉之后是一个完整的句子，怎么和被动主动扯上关系了？led是lead的过去式难道不是么？
引导宾语从句的that可以省略，但是不省略也不是罪啊。。。我我我，我没词了。。只能再问一遍：except that很难理解么？比如She remembered nothing (about him) except that his hair was black.

latonars

somber setting是什么?

渚清沙白

somber setting是什么?
latonars 发表于 2010-5-4 02:28

有没有上下文啊？
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/us/politics/08debate.html?fta=y
http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/somber/featured/2
这两则新闻里倒是都有用到这个somber setting.

如诗

走过路过，看到大家在争论other than 的问题，觉得都没说透，也说两句。
首先，不管断句与否，例句中的正解应该是
NATO is saying little about the incident other than that a joint NATO-Afghan operation against a Taliban facilitator led to one armed person being killed.
也就是说other than that 后面直接跟从句。
其次，必须分清other than 和 other than that.
前者other than = except, 它是介词，后面跟名词性的词或词组，后者 other than that = except that，可翻译为 “只是...”,相当于一个（复合）连词，后面是从句。
最后，other than that 中的that 当然是连词，没有实际意义，但这个连词不等同于名词性从句中的连词that, 这里的that不能省略，不然就等同于 other than 而成介词了。

lifanhua

路过学习了~~

lifanhua

5-4 VOA

两个小问题：

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is expected to make the case for his country's nuclear program during an address at the opening session of a conference on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

这里make the case是否可以理解为make a statement?


Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram said he hopes the trial is noticed in Pakistan.

这里Home Minister是个什么部长？还是就是总理？

gailsun77

5-4 VOA

两个小问题：

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is expected to make the case for his country's nuclear program during an address at the opening session of a conference on the Nuclear  ...
lifanhua 发表于 2010-5-5 16:02

make the case for: to present a set of reasons to support sth

Indian Home Minister: 印度内政部长，有的国家也叫interior minister或home secretary

lifanhua

2161# gailsun77

谢谢Gail斑斑~~

gafpeyes

make the case for: to present a set of reasons to support sth

Indian Home Minister: 印度内政部长，有的国家也叫interior minister或home secretary
gailsun77 发表于 2010-5-5 20:55

美国就叫interior minister,英国就叫home secretary..