[豆知识] 【整理】2011-06-05&06-10 “总量管制和交易”的故事 (2/3)

jessiyear

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The Story of Cap&Trade

Cap and Trade is the leading climate solution being discussed at Copenhagen and on Capitol Hill which is a method for managing and ultimately reducing the amount of pollution emitted into the atmosphere. This episode of BOK will reveal the "devils in the details" in current cap and trade proposals: free permits to big polluters, fake offsets and distraction from whats really required to tackle the climate crisis. And here is Part II.

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由jessiyear在 整理的参考文本：
A growing movement of scientists, students, farmers and forward-thinking business people are all saying “Wait a minute!” In fact, even the economists who invented the cap and trade system to deal with simpler problems like fertilizer pollution and sulfur dioxide, they say cap and trade will never work for climate change. Here is why I think they’re right.



When it comes to any kind of financial scam, like subprime mortgages or Bernie Madoff’s pyramid scheme, the devil is always in the details, and there are a lot of devils in the details of the cap and trade proposals on the table.



Devil number one is known as free permits, which is why some people call this system cap and giveaway. In this scheme, industrial polluters will get the vast majority of these valuable permits for free. Free! The more they've been polluting, the more they get. It's like we're thanking them for creating this problem in the first place.



In Europe, they tried the cap and giveaway system, the price of permits bounced around like crazy, energy costs jumped for consumers, and guess what? Carbon emissions actually went up! The only part that did work was that the polluters made billions of dollars in extra profits.



MIT economists say the same thing would likely happen here in the US. Those billions come from our pockets. A real solution would put that money to work stopping climate change. Instead of just giving permits away to polluters, we could sell them, and use the money to build a clean-energy economy, or give citizens a dividend to help pay for higher fuel prices when we transition to that clean-energy economy, or share it with those most harmed by climate change. Some people call this paying our ecological debt.



Since we in the richest countries released the most carbon for centuries and lived a pretty comfy lifestyle in the process, don't we have a responsibility to help those most harmed? It's like we had a big party, didn't invite our neighbors and then stuck them with a cleanup bill. It's just not cool.



Did you know that in the next century, because of the changing climate, whole isle nations could end up underwater? And the UN says 9 out of 10 African farmers could lose their ability to grow food. Now wouldn’t a real solution benefit these people instead of just the polluters?



Devil number two is called offsetting. Offset permits are created when a company supposedly removes or reduces carbon. They then get a permit which can be sold to a polluter who wants permission to emit more carbon. In theory, one activity offsets the other.



The danger with offsets is it's very hard to guarantee that the real carbon is being removed to create the permit, yet these permits are worth real money. This creates a very dangerous incentive to create false offsets, to cheat. Now in some cases cheating isn't the end of the world, but in this case, it is.



And already, there’s a lot of cheating going on. Like in Indonesia, Sinar Mas Corporation cut down indigenous forests causing major ecological and cultural destruction, then they took the wasteland they created and planted palm oil trees. Guess what they can get for it? Yep, offset permits. Carbon out? No. Carbon in? You bet.



Companies can even earn offsets for not anything at all. Like operators of a polluting factory can claim they were planning to expend 200%, but reduced the plans to expend only 100%. For that meaningless claim, they get offset permits, permits that they can sell to someone else to make more pollution. That is so stupid.



The list of scams go on and on, and many of the worst ones happen in the so-called Third World where big business does whatever it wants, to whomever it wants. And with lax standards and regulations on offsets, they can get permits for just about anything.

由jessiyear在 整理的生词：
comfy: adj. comfortable 舒适的







indigenous: adj. 本地的







lax: adj. not strict about maintaining highstandards 不严格的

priscillajones

A growing movement of scientists,students,famers and forward-thinking business people are all saying:wait a minute!

In fact,even the economists who invented the Cap and Trade system to deal with simpler problems like fertilizer pollution and sulfur dioxide,they say Cap and Trade will never work for climate change,here is why I think they are right.

When it comes to any kind of finacial scam,like subprime mortgages are burning made-up supreme skim,the devil is always in the details,and there are a lot of devils in the details of the Cap and Trade proposals on the table.

Devil No.1 is known as free permits,which is why some people call this system carbon give-away.In this skim,industrial polluters will get the vast majority of these valuable permits for free.Free!?The more they've been polluting,the more they get,it's like we're thinking them for creating this problem in the first place.

In Europ,they tried the Cap and Give-away system,the price of permits are bounced around like crazy,energy caused jam for consumers,and guess what,carbon emissions actually went up.The only pro that did work was that the polluters made billions of dollars and extra profits.

MIT economists say the same thing would likely happen here in the U.S.Those billions come from our pockets.Our real solution would put that money to work stopping climate change.Instead of just giving permits away to polluters,we could sell them,and use the money to build the clean-energy economy,or give citizens a dividend to help pay for higher fuel prices when we're in transition to that clean-energy economy,or share with those most harmed by climate change.

Some people call this pain are ecological dead.Since we and the richest countries released mosts carbon for centuries and lived a pretty comfortable lifestyle on the process,don't we have a responsility to help those most harmed.

It's like we had a big party and did't invite our neighbors and stuck them off with a clinking bell.It's just not cool.

Did you know that in the next century,because of the changing climate,whole isle nations could end up under water.And UN says that 9/10 African farmers could lose their ability to grow food.I wonder real solution benefit these people instead of just the polluters.

Devil NO.2 is called the offsetting.Offset permits are created when a company supposedly removes or reduces carbon,they then get a permit which can be sold to polluter who wants permission to emit more carbon.In theory,one activity offsets the other.

The danger with offsets is that it's hard to guarantee that the real carbon is being removed to create the permit,yet these permits are worth real money.This creates a very dangerous and incentive to create false offsets,to cheat.Well in some cases cheating isn't the end of the world,but in this case,it is.

And already,there is lot of cheating going on.Like in Indonesia,seeing now mass corporation cut down in ** forests causing major ecological and cultural destruction,then they took the waste land they created and planted palmoil trees,guess what they can get from it,yep,offset permits,carbon out?no,carbon in?You bet.

Companies can even earn offsets for not anything at all,like operators that have a polluting facor we can claim they are planning to spend 200%,but we do subplans to spend only 100%.For that meaningless claim,they get offset permits,permits that they can sell to someone else to make more pollution,that is so stupid.

The least of scams go on and on,and many of the worse ones happened in the so-called  Third World where big business does whatever it wants to whomever it wants.And with the lacks of standards and regulations on offsets,they can get permits for just about anything.


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A growing movement of scientists, students, farmers and forward-thinking bussiness people all think:"Wait a minute." In fact, even economists who invented cap&trade system to deal with simpler problems like fertilizer pollution and sulfur dioxide. They say cap&trade will never work for climate change.Here's why I think they're right.
When it comes to any financial scam , like subprime mortgages and Bernie Madoff' s pyramid scheme. The devil is always in the details. And there are lot of devils in the details of the cap&trade proposals on the table.
Devil no.1 is known as free permits, which is by some people called this system cap& giveaway. In this scheme, industrial polluters will get vast majority of these valuble permits for free. Free! The more they've pollutted, they more they get. It's like we thanking them for creating this problem in the first place. In Europe, they try the cap&giveaway system. The price permits bounce around like crazy. Energy costs jump for consumers and guess what? Carbon emissions actually went up. The only part that did work was the polluters made billions of dollars and extra profits.
MIT economists say the same thing would likely happen here in the US. Those billions come from our pockets. A real solution would put that money to work stoping climate change. Instead of just giving permits away to polluters, we could sell them and use the money to build a clean energy economy or give citizens the dividend to help pay for higher fuel prices while we transation to that clean energy economy, or share with those most harmed by climate change. Some people call this paying our ecological debt. since we are in the richest country released the most carbon for centuries and lived the pretty comfy life style in the process. Don't we have the responsibility to help those most harmed? It's like we had a big party , didn't invite our neighbours and stuck them with the cleaning bill. It's just not cool.
Did you know that in the next century, because of the changing climate, whole island nations could end up under water. And UN says 9 at a ten African farmers could lose their ablility to grow food. And what real solution benefits these people instead of just polluters?
Devil No.2 is called offsetting. Offset permits are created when the company supposedly removes or reduces carbon. Then get a permit which can be sold to a polluter who wants permission to make more carbon. In theory, one activity offsets the other. The danger with offsets is that it's very hard to guarantee the real carbon is being removed to create the permit, yet these permits are worth real money. This creates a very dangerous incentive to create false offsets to cheat. Now in some cases cheating isn't the end of the world, but in this case, it is.
And already, there's a lot of cheating going on, like in Indonesia S** corporation cut down the indigenous forest causing major ecological and culture destruction. Then they took the wasted land they created and planted palm oil trees. Guess what they can get for it? Yeap, offset permit. Carbon out? No! Carbon in? You bet! Companies can even earn offsets for not doing anything at all. Like operators of polluting factory can claim that they're planning to expand 200% but reduce the plan to expand only 100%. For that means with claim they get offset permits, permits they can sell to someone else to make more pollution. That is so stupid. Lists of scams go on and on. And many of worse ones happened in the so-call third world where big  bussiness does whatever it wants to whomever it wants. And with lax stands and regulations of offsets, they can get permits for just about anything.

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jessiyear

on priscillajones

A growing movement of scientists, students, farmers and forward-thinking business people are all saying “Wait a minute!” In fact, even the economists who invented the cap and trade system to deal with simpler problems like fertilizer pollution and sulfur dioxide, they say cap and trade will never work for climate change. Here is why I think they’re right.

 

When it comes to any kind of financial scam, like subprime mortgages or Bernie Madoff’s pyramid scheme, the devil is always in the details, and there are a lot of devils in the details of the cap and trade proposals on the table.

 

Devil number one is known as free permits, which is why some people call this system cap and giveaway. In this scheme, industrial polluters will get the vast majority of these valuable permits for free. Free! The more they've been polluting, the more they get. It's like we're thanking them for creating this problem in the first place.

 

In Europe, they tried the cap and giveaway system, the price of permits / bounced around like crazy, energy costs jumped for consumers, and guess what? Carbon emissions actually went up! The only part that did work was that the polluters made billions of dollars in extra profits.

 

MIT economists say the same thing would likely happen here in the US. Those billions come from our pockets. A real solution would put that money to work stopping climate change. Instead of just giving permits away to polluters, we could sell them, and use the money to build a clean-energy economy, or give citizens a dividend to help pay for higher fuel prices when we / transition to that clean-energy economy, or share it with those most harmed by climate change. Some people call this paying our ecological debt.

 

Since we in the richest countries released the most carbon for centuries and lived a pretty comfy lifestyle in the process, don't we have a responsibility to help those most harmed? It's like we had a big party, / didn't invite our neighbors and then stuck them / with a cleanup bill. It's just not cool.

 

Did you know that in the next century, because of the changing climate, whole isle nations could end up underwater? And the UN says / 9 out of 10 African farmers could lose their ability to grow food. Now wouldn’t a real solution benefit these people instead of just the polluters?

 

Devil number two is called / offsetting. Offset permits are created when a company supposedly removes or reduces carbon. They then get a permit which can be sold to a polluter who wants permission to emit more carbon. In theory, one activity offsets the other.

 

The danger with offsets is / it's very hard to guarantee that the real carbon is being removed to create the permit, yet these permits are worth real money. This creates a very dangerous / incentive to create false offsets, to cheat. Now in some cases cheating isn't the end of the world, but in this case, it is.

 

And already, there’s a lot of cheating going on. Like in Indonesia, Sinar Mas Corporation cut down indigenous forests causing major ecological and cultural destruction, then they took the wasteland they created and planted palm oil trees. Guess what they can get for it? Yep, offset permits. Carbon out? No. Carbon in? You bet.

 

Companies can even earn offsets for not anything at all. Like operators of a polluting factory can claim they were planning to expend 200%, but reduced the plans to expend only 100%. For that meaningless claim, they get offset permits, permits that they can sell to someone else to make more pollution. That is so stupid.

 

The list of scams go on and on, and many of the worst ones happen in the so-called Third World where big business does whatever it wants, to whomever it wants. And with lax standards and regulations on offsets, they can get permits for just about anything.